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Dec 3, 2019

This week we're talking to Sarah Nicolas, author of DRAGONS ARE PEOPLE, TOO and KEEPING HER SECRET. They are also currently running Pitch Wars. Find out more at,, and and follow them on Twitter at and Instagram at Also check out their YouTube channel at

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Mentioned in this episode:

Brenda Drake

Leigh Mar


Sarah Gailey

Pub Talk Live

Lisa Lucas

The National Book Foundation


The Hugo Awards

The RITA Awards

The Newbery Medal

The Caldecott Medal

THE GIVER by Lois Lowry

New York Times

USA Today


The Oscars

The Avengers: Endgame (Movie)

Black Panther (Movie)

The Producers (Movie)

Mel Brooks

2001: A Space Odyssey (Movie)

Stanley Kubrick

The Booker Prize

Patrick Hester

World Con

SF Signal

The Orlando Book Festival

Kiersten White